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  Does the GB/WT now ,ever talk about 6,000 years of human history ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  in c.t.russell`s time it was supposed to have ended in the late 1880`s ,when jesus christ was supposed to have returned in 1874 ,and armageddon was to have happened in 1914 according to wt publications back then .. around about 1968/9 they amended that time frame to the year 1975 as the end of 6000 years of human history ,and they said in their publications that it would be an appropriate time for christ jesus to begin his 1000 year rule over the earth.. which would align with wt teaching that a creative day was 7,000 years long.. i think the book was "life everlasting in freedom of the sons of god " wtb&ts .

  my question is : do they still talk about 6,000 of human history ?.

  do they still talk about 7,000 years as a creative day ?

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  Anders Andersen

  My question is : Do they still talk about 6,000 of human history ?

  Yes.

  Do they still talk about 7,000 years as a creative day ? "From paradise Lost To Paradise Regained " WTB&TS

  No. They now ambiguously state that creation days can be 'many thousands of years'. This accommodates the old timers who still believe in 7000 years but at the same time allows the younger crowd to accept scientific evidence that plants and animals existed long before 49.000 years ago (of course they still ignore the evidence re the age of mankind). They're really masters of word crafting.
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  Do not record any not at homes!

  by Lost in the fog in

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  apparently the letter was read out to all uk congregations at the mid-week meeting this week a friend of ours said.

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  https://truthandtransparency.org/news/2019/5/15/jehovahs-witnesses-overhaul-proselytizing-procedures-in-response-to-eu-regulation.

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  Anders Andersen

  @lostinthefog:

  If it were only the not at homes JW wouldn't really notice I guess. But the best part is they can't record any of their return visits and foreign languages anymore either.

  (Just adding because the OP subject)
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  Jehovah’s Witness who posted criticisms on Reddit can remain anonymous, judge rules

  by Tameria2001 in

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  https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/jehovah-s-witness-who-posted-criticisms-on-13855357.php.

  i had this article pop up about the darksilver case.

  it says a federal magistrate in san francisco has now ruled that darksilver can remain anonymous but then it says except for identification to lawyers for the religion’s watchtower publication.

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  Anders Andersen

  a non-jw lawyer legally gets access to the name of Darkspliver's identity, would he be legally obligated to tell the WTS?

  In this case only the lawyers for WTS can know Darkspilvers identity. If they would reveal his identity to Watchtower they'd be violating a court order, which could/will have severe consequences for them.

  So not even Polidoro can disclose Darkspilvers identity to his fellow JW hotshots. The big question is....will he obey the judge or not.
  
  
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  Jehovah’s Witness who posted criticisms on Reddit can remain anonymous, judge rules

  by Tameria2001 in

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  https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/jehovah-s-witness-who-posted-criticisms-on-13855357.php.

  i had this article pop up about the darksilver case.

  it says a federal magistrate in san francisco has now ruled that darksilver can remain anonymous but then it says except for identification to lawyers for the religion’s watchtower publication.

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  Anders Andersen

  Does anybody know if the WTBS' lawyers are JW's themselves or some outside firm?

  They often use both. In this case Paul Polidoro (a hotshot JW) is main counsel. A external firm is also involved but Polidoro was doing the talking in court.

  He's not even a bad lawyer, he also won some Supreme Court cases. As a JW and human being perhaps he could improve....
  
  
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  Jehovah’s Witness who posted criticisms on Reddit can remain anonymous, judge rules

  by Tameria2001 in

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  https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/jehovah-s-witness-who-posted-criticisms-on-13855357.php.

  i had this article pop up about the darksilver case.

  it says a federal magistrate in san francisco has now ruled that darksilver can remain anonymous but then it says except for identification to lawyers for the religion’s watchtower publication.

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  Anders Andersen

  @betterdaze,

  The official documents (including the judge's ruling) that also list who the lawyers are for Watchtower can be found here:

  https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/8509534/in-re-dmca-subpoena-to-reddit-inc/
  
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  Jehovah’s Witness who posted criticisms on Reddit can remain anonymous, judge rules

  by Tameria2001 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/jehovah-s-witness-who-posted-criticisms-on-13855357.php.

  i had this article pop up about the darksilver case.

  it says a federal magistrate in san francisco has now ruled that darksilver can remain anonymous but then it says except for identification to lawyers for the religion’s watchtower publication.

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  Anders Andersen

  How will they obtain his identity? A lot create fake email accounts and all Reddit asks for is an email address and username when joining.

  • Worst case: Darkspilver bought Reddit coins with his personal credit card, and Reddit actually knows his full name and address.
  • Slightly less worse case: Darkspilver signed up to Reddit with his personal email address that identifies him (e.g. [email protected])

  More likely case:

  • Reddit doesn't actually know the real identity of Darkspilver.
  • But Reddit most likely keeps some logs of user activity which include the IP address the user had at that time.
    
  • From the IP address Watchtower knows the ISP Darkspilver used/uses.
  • Watchtower can then summon the ISP to hand over the name and address of the subscriber that used said IP adress(es).

  There are however some things that may save Darkspilver in this case:

  • If Darkspilver always used a VPN while using Reddit, the IP address cannot be used to trace Darkspilvers real identity.
  • If Darkspilver always used Reddit from a network that is not their own (e.g. a free wifi somewhere in a McDonalds or a Starbucks, at school/work, or some friend or family member's network), Watchtower may run into quite a struggle to get the real identity (if at all possible).
  • If Darkspilver doesn't live in the USA and doesn't use any Watchtower-controlled internet connection, then their ISP may very well ignore Watchtower's demand to know the real identity of the subscriber. I know a Dutch ISP would ignore such a demand.

  So there are quite a few variables that are currently unknown to us that can ether make or break this case....

  
  
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  Jehovah’s Witness who posted criticisms on Reddit can remain anonymous, judge rules

  by Tameria2001 in

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  https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/jehovah-s-witness-who-posted-criticisms-on-13855357.php.

  i had this article pop up about the darksilver case.

  it says a federal magistrate in san francisco has now ruled that darksilver can remain anonymous but then it says except for identification to lawyers for the religion’s watchtower publication.

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  Anders Andersen

  If only the WT lawyers are to learn the identity of Darkspilver and he gets disfellowshipped-- will the JW lawyers then be in some form of legal contempt?

  Only if and when there is evidence that shows the laywer revealed Darkspilver's identity. And even then Watchtower will claim that they have zero influence on the actions and decisions of local elders (perhaps even in a different country), because on paper congregations are independent legal entities.
  But if that is the case, the lawyer can be punished, for example with a fine or even being disbarred.
  
  
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  Jehovah’s Witness who posted criticisms on Reddit can remain anonymous, judge rules

  by Tameria2001 in

  1. watchtower
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  https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/jehovah-s-witness-who-posted-criticisms-on-13855357.php.

  i had this article pop up about the darksilver case.

  it says a federal magistrate in san francisco has now ruled that darksilver can remain anonymous but then it says except for identification to lawyers for the religion’s watchtower publication.

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  Anders Andersen

  Yeah I fear for Darkspilver too. His life can be destroyed and nobody would even be able to prove it came from that JW lawyer sleaze.

  Only thing that might restrain the lawyer is 1) his own fear of getting shamed or punished for violating a court order and 2) Watchtower thinks keeping their golden star lawyer is more important than keeping the congregation clean.

  Knowing Watchtower doesn't really care about anything spiritual whenever their money is at stake, I hope they'll tell the lawyer to just follow the court order.
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  Friday!!!

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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  have a great weekend all!.

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  zing.

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  Anders Andersen

  Aaah another weekend with no field service, no meeting, no dressing up, no guilt, no pressure, no fake smiles. Damn I love it!

  Enjoy your weekend to! May there be many more!
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  Reaction to GDPR / field service letter

  by sir82 in

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  here is a thread on the new letter to be read to all congregations in all branches on adjustments in door to door work due to the gdpr:.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6274619758608384/2019-boe-elders-letter-may-13-england-ireland-data-protection.

  i have...connections....to a foreign language congregation in europe.

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  Anders Andersen

  @smiddy3,

  Watchtower would love to have zero liability, and with regards to GDPR they tried to establish that in court.

  Unfortunately for them EU already ruled that even data collected on handwritten notes by unpaid volunteers is within scope of Watchtower's responsibility and liability, because Watchtower organizes that work, and the data is collected to further Watchtower's agenda.

  The only thing that could get Watchtower off the hook if (when?) an individual publishers is caught illegally collecting or leaking data is Watchtower's effort to make sure no data is collected.

  Of course individual publishers are also liable under GDPR.